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		<title>Comment on Real trainers don&#8217;t do Twitter by rgoutal</title>
		<link>http://semicon-recession.com/2009/08/31/real-trainers-dont-do-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>rgoutal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 04:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michael,

Thanks for taking the time to leave a thoughtful comment here. I enjoyed looking at your website and noted that Melbourne is your base - I was there once over the Christmas holidays visiting with close friends - this was in the late 80s. In those days, I was manager for the customer training group of a semiconductor equipment company. From 1994 I have been traveling around to many spots teaching semiconductor service engineers how to train their customers in the operation and maintenance of their factory equipment. It is very difficult for these trainers to provide distance learning because of the need to allow time for (hands-on) practice in the adjustment, calibration, maintenance, and troubleshooting of these large machines.

But to address your comments a bit - although the people I work with do not typically have the opportunity to use distance learning, I do not limit the term trainer to those that deliver face to face training. Not at all. Indeed, a real "trainer" -being a performance improvement consultant- knows when training (whether face to face, online, or any other format) is inappropriate and creates an alternate performance solution to training. Or at least calls in the proper specialists that can do it. In the case of distance learning, where groups are effective, sure Twitter is one optional tool. In my world (equipment training that has specific required performances), groups are typically not effective, and if they had a place, twitter would be my last choice because of the 140 char limitation. 

But honestly, none of that is what I meant anyway. I wasn't referring to trainers who &lt;strong&gt;use  Twitter as a training tool. &lt;/strong&gt;What I meant is that those who are sharing "training" or "learning" ideas back and forth through the Twitterverse are typically not real trainers. My post defined real trainers as those who put performance improvement front and center. For clarity I cited certain leaders that these trainers try to emulate.  From what I see, the vast majority of those who claim to be learning professionals that are chatting across the Twitterverse are completely caught up in "collaborative" learning and hence the importance of social media tools. In reality, much of this hoopla is led by individuals who are owners or employees of Web 2.0 software companies, many of whom have no real understanding of the performance improvement model (again, see leaders cited in my post).

It is not a case of being closed to social sites and tools, although I agree that some people are. Social sites and tools have their place once the learning objectives (outcomes, whatever) have been clarified and the resources for performance improvement have been identified.  I have found that collaboration is not typically the best  learning activity in equipment training but I can see how it would apply in teaching skills involved in selling or leadership (for example). And, outside of the learning world, certainly collaboration is an important problem-solving and creative tool for companies to use.

But those who are closed-minded to the use of social learning tools are not alone in their closed-mindedness. What I see across the Twitterverse are so-called learning professionals on the other extreme. These folks have essentially pronounced the death of "formal" learning (whether online or face to face) in favor of "social" learning.  Such terminology is, in itself, nonsense (see link in my post). It is a closed mindedness at the other end of the continuum, but one that is easy to sell to the masses that frankly know little about HPT (human performance technology) and are so easily enamored by trends both social and technological. I use the word masses because it has been my experience that there are many influences on business decision-making, not all of them informed. I best stop here before I get into rambling war stories.  ; - )

I hope this clarified my thoughts a bit more. Even so, I may have stirred up even more issues!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michael,</p>
<p>Thanks for taking the time to leave a thoughtful comment here. I enjoyed looking at your website and noted that Melbourne is your base - I was there once over the Christmas holidays visiting with close friends - this was in the late 80s. In those days, I was manager for the customer training group of a semiconductor equipment company. From 1994 I have been traveling around to many spots teaching semiconductor service engineers how to train their customers in the operation and maintenance of their factory equipment. It is very difficult for these trainers to provide distance learning because of the need to allow time for (hands-on) practice in the adjustment, calibration, maintenance, and troubleshooting of these large machines.</p>
<p>But to address your comments a bit - although the people I work with do not typically have the opportunity to use distance learning, I do not limit the term trainer to those that deliver face to face training. Not at all. Indeed, a real &#8220;trainer&#8221; -being a performance improvement consultant- knows when training (whether face to face, online, or any other format) is inappropriate and creates an alternate performance solution to training. Or at least calls in the proper specialists that can do it. In the case of distance learning, where groups are effective, sure Twitter is one optional tool. In my world (equipment training that has specific required performances), groups are typically not effective, and if they had a place, twitter would be my last choice because of the 140 char limitation. </p>
<p>But honestly, none of that is what I meant anyway. I wasn&#8217;t referring to trainers who <strong>use  Twitter as a training tool. </strong>What I meant is that those who are sharing &#8220;training&#8221; or &#8220;learning&#8221; ideas back and forth through the Twitterverse are typically not real trainers. My post defined real trainers as those who put performance improvement front and center. For clarity I cited certain leaders that these trainers try to emulate.  From what I see, the vast majority of those who claim to be learning professionals that are chatting across the Twitterverse are completely caught up in &#8220;collaborative&#8221; learning and hence the importance of social media tools. In reality, much of this hoopla is led by individuals who are owners or employees of Web 2.0 software companies, many of whom have no real understanding of the performance improvement model (again, see leaders cited in my post).</p>
<p>It is not a case of being closed to social sites and tools, although I agree that some people are. Social sites and tools have their place once the learning objectives (outcomes, whatever) have been clarified and the resources for performance improvement have been identified.  I have found that collaboration is not typically the best  learning activity in equipment training but I can see how it would apply in teaching skills involved in selling or leadership (for example). And, outside of the learning world, certainly collaboration is an important problem-solving and creative tool for companies to use.</p>
<p>But those who are closed-minded to the use of social learning tools are not alone in their closed-mindedness. What I see across the Twitterverse are so-called learning professionals on the other extreme. These folks have essentially pronounced the death of &#8220;formal&#8221; learning (whether online or face to face) in favor of &#8220;social&#8221; learning.  Such terminology is, in itself, nonsense (see link in my post). It is a closed mindedness at the other end of the continuum, but one that is easy to sell to the masses that frankly know little about HPT (human performance technology) and are so easily enamored by trends both social and technological. I use the word masses because it has been my experience that there are many influences on business decision-making, not all of them informed. I best stop here before I get into rambling war stories.  ; - )</p>
<p>I hope this clarified my thoughts a bit more. Even so, I may have stirred up even more issues!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Real trainers don&#8217;t do Twitter by Michael Eury</title>
		<link>http://semicon-recession.com/2009/08/31/real-trainers-dont-do-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Eury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 03:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard
Perhaps you just haven't come across trainers that use Twitter? I would have described myself as a trainer 2-3 years ago, today I work 50/50 delivering workshops and designing learning tools/strategies for business.  I assume you mean by your use of the term 'trainer' a person who runs educational workshops in face-to-face settings with learners. In this case I agree with you, not many (any?) of the 'trainers' I know use Twitter. I originally set up my blog to address exactly this issue, people who work in adult learning environments do not always look after their own development and  I use Twitter so that I can keep up with new ideas myself. And the links and people I exchange tweets with really have given me ideas that can very positively impact upon face-to-face training environments.

Also do you restrict the term 'trainer' to mean only those who deliver face-to-face training? Isn't it just as reasonable to include people who support learners in distance learning programs as trainers, they provide direction, support, additional learning activities, and so forth. The only difference is that they're not face-to-face. If we do include these people then I do know people who Twitter, they use it to form learning groups - as a way of sharing knowledge, relevant links, asking questions and the like. Groups may be formed using other tools such as Ping, it just depends on what the group may prefer. I'd imagine that GoogleWave will be used quite a lot in this context, allowing as it does online collaboration through wiki-like tools and live chat.
Personally I think that 'trainers' who are closed to the idea of trying Twitter and other 'social' sites are simply denying themselves another tool to add to their learning programs. It doesn't matter if you label a tool 'social', 'informal', or whatever, real trainers are most interested in using tools that help learners to learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard<br />
Perhaps you just haven&#8217;t come across trainers that use Twitter? I would have described myself as a trainer 2-3 years ago, today I work 50/50 delivering workshops and designing learning tools/strategies for business.  I assume you mean by your use of the term &#8216;trainer&#8217; a person who runs educational workshops in face-to-face settings with learners. In this case I agree with you, not many (any?) of the &#8216;trainers&#8217; I know use Twitter. I originally set up my blog to address exactly this issue, people who work in adult learning environments do not always look after their own development and  I use Twitter so that I can keep up with new ideas myself. And the links and people I exchange tweets with really have given me ideas that can very positively impact upon face-to-face training environments.</p>
<p>Also do you restrict the term &#8216;trainer&#8217; to mean only those who deliver face-to-face training? Isn&#8217;t it just as reasonable to include people who support learners in distance learning programs as trainers, they provide direction, support, additional learning activities, and so forth. The only difference is that they&#8217;re not face-to-face. If we do include these people then I do know people who Twitter, they use it to form learning groups - as a way of sharing knowledge, relevant links, asking questions and the like. Groups may be formed using other tools such as Ping, it just depends on what the group may prefer. I&#8217;d imagine that GoogleWave will be used quite a lot in this context, allowing as it does online collaboration through wiki-like tools and live chat.<br />
Personally I think that &#8216;trainers&#8217; who are closed to the idea of trying Twitter and other &#8217;social&#8217; sites are simply denying themselves another tool to add to their learning programs. It doesn&#8217;t matter if you label a tool &#8217;social&#8217;, &#8216;informal&#8217;, or whatever, real trainers are most interested in using tools that help learners to learn.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Real trainers don&#8217;t do Twitter by medlaw</title>
		<link>http://semicon-recession.com/2009/08/31/real-trainers-dont-do-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-172</link>
		<dc:creator>medlaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with your premise that twitter is more or less a marketing vehicle.  Can one have any real discussion of substance broken into 140 characters?  But there are so many spam twitter accounts out there that I'm not sure how much marketing value there is in twitter anymore.  Add to the spam accounts the fact that twitter has adopted the "rel=nofollow" tag for links and I am negative on twitter for business purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with your premise that twitter is more or less a marketing vehicle.  Can one have any real discussion of substance broken into 140 characters?  But there are so many spam twitter accounts out there that I&#8217;m not sure how much marketing value there is in twitter anymore.  Add to the spam accounts the fact that twitter has adopted the &#8220;rel=nofollow&#8221; tag for links and I am negative on twitter for business purposes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Equipment trainers and the recession- The reason for this blog. by megasonics</title>
		<link>http://semicon-recession.com/2009/02/18/equipment-trainers-and-the-recession-the-reason-for-this-blog/comment-page-1/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>megasonics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel for those who wish to open a small business in this industry and in a recession. We have been around for 35+ years and still feel the pain of a small business. Our strategies as many others should be is to diversify our product offering. Many companies have the blinders on and are not willing to move forward with new products outside of their know how...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel for those who wish to open a small business in this industry and in a recession. We have been around for 35+ years and still feel the pain of a small business. Our strategies as many others should be is to diversify our product offering. Many companies have the blinders on and are not willing to move forward with new products outside of their know how&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Spansion files for bankruptcy amid anger from employees by rgoutal</title>
		<link>http://semicon-recession.com/2009/03/02/spansion-files-for-bankruptcy-amid-anger-from-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>rgoutal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 16:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess a lot of us find it repugnant! Thanks for your comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess a lot of us find it repugnant! Thanks for your comment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Spansion files for bankruptcy amid anger from employees by Chandler Bankruptcy Attorney</title>
		<link>http://semicon-recession.com/2009/03/02/spansion-files-for-bankruptcy-amid-anger-from-employees/comment-page-1/#comment-159</link>
		<dc:creator>Chandler Bankruptcy Attorney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The inherent problem with corporate bankruptcy is multifold.  Most people during these economic times that are the result of negligent corporate spending are in no position to simply "walk out the door" with no future income.  So this corporate bankruptcy reproduces in personal bankruptcy. However, doesn;t anyone find it repugnant that corporations and their high paid execs always find a way to recover, but the laborer simply can't?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The inherent problem with corporate bankruptcy is multifold.  Most people during these economic times that are the result of negligent corporate spending are in no position to simply &#8220;walk out the door&#8221; with no future income.  So this corporate bankruptcy reproduces in personal bankruptcy. However, doesn;t anyone find it repugnant that corporations and their high paid execs always find a way to recover, but the laborer simply can&#8217;t?</p>
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		<title>Comment on NBC Today Questions Skill Level of US Tech Workers by Steve Scherer</title>
		<link>http://semicon-recession.com/2009/03/13/nbc-today-show-questions-skill-level-of-us-tech-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-157</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Scherer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reporters do not seem to think fact checking is in the job description. Please just review the headcount reductions in the US-based semiconductor capital equipment manufacturing industry since 2001. Yes, there is manufacturing in this country. The question is will it survive the current environment of tax incentives for investing overseas and a high tax hit for domestic manufacturing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reporters do not seem to think fact checking is in the job description. Please just review the headcount reductions in the US-based semiconductor capital equipment manufacturing industry since 2001. Yes, there is manufacturing in this country. The question is will it survive the current environment of tax incentives for investing overseas and a high tax hit for domestic manufacturing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on NBC Today Questions Skill Level of US Tech Workers by michael</title>
		<link>http://semicon-recession.com/2009/03/13/nbc-today-show-questions-skill-level-of-us-tech-workers/comment-page-1/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 17:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the economic recession made a lot of workers jobless. my best friend and me lost our jobs because of job cuts. i hope that our economy would recover soon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the economic recession made a lot of workers jobless. my best friend and me lost our jobs because of job cuts. i hope that our economy would recover soon</p>
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		<title>Comment on Guess the Guru Contest - And who&#8217;s yours? by Mike Slepikas</title>
		<link>http://semicon-recession.com/2009/07/13/whos-your-favorite-training-guru-and-mine/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Slepikas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gloria Gery

http://www.gloriagery.com/

I met Gloria once and she has always stuck in my mind.  Very interesting and knowledgeable person on EPSS.  She experiments with many different learning tools.

Hope all is well with you Richard,

Take care,

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gloria Gery</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gloriagery.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.gloriagery.com/</a></p>
<p>I met Gloria once and she has always stuck in my mind.  Very interesting and knowledgeable person on EPSS.  She experiments with many different learning tools.</p>
<p>Hope all is well with you Richard,</p>
<p>Take care,</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lean or HPT - Which model is best for business? by David Griffin</title>
		<link>http://semicon-recession.com/2009/05/29/lean-or-hpt-which-model-is-best-for-business/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>David Griffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 20:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

I have been working in the manufacturing environment for three years as an instructional designer. I felt something was missing. Often, we as designers create instruction, deliver it to our customers, wish them well and move on. Those days are gone. I was searching for a marriage and I found it. Although it is not HPT, I believe elements of HPT work in the background is an important part of the mix.

I purchased and read the book Developing and Measuring Training the Six Sigma Way. It made sense. As a way to apply it, I completed Six Sigma training to get my first belt-the Yellow Belt. 

Six Sigma gives us tools to target a customer's business metrics, and the tools to ensure that our training helps achieve the metric that is important to our customer. Six Sigma causes us to remove the variation out of our own design practices. We align business needs with our training expertise and give them the precise training that will positively impact their business numbers. And that is how we measure the ROI on our training instructions and demonstrate we are a profit center and not a cost center.

Thank you for all you do. I recently met a former colleague of yours, Julian Serda. I enjoyed my time with him. He said to tell you hello.

Best regards in all you do,
David Griffin
H-E-B Grocery Company</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>I have been working in the manufacturing environment for three years as an instructional designer. I felt something was missing. Often, we as designers create instruction, deliver it to our customers, wish them well and move on. Those days are gone. I was searching for a marriage and I found it. Although it is not HPT, I believe elements of HPT work in the background is an important part of the mix.</p>
<p>I purchased and read the book Developing and Measuring Training the Six Sigma Way. It made sense. As a way to apply it, I completed Six Sigma training to get my first belt-the Yellow Belt. </p>
<p>Six Sigma gives us tools to target a customer&#8217;s business metrics, and the tools to ensure that our training helps achieve the metric that is important to our customer. Six Sigma causes us to remove the variation out of our own design practices. We align business needs with our training expertise and give them the precise training that will positively impact their business numbers. And that is how we measure the ROI on our training instructions and demonstrate we are a profit center and not a cost center.</p>
<p>Thank you for all you do. I recently met a former colleague of yours, Julian Serda. I enjoyed my time with him. He said to tell you hello.</p>
<p>Best regards in all you do,<br />
David Griffin<br />
H-E-B Grocery Company</p>
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